Deep Dive: Green Room

GREEN ROOM (2015) The first Cinemondo “Deep Dive” episode. Burk, Mark and Kathy talk about Jeremy Saulnier,'s GREEN ROOM and go into detail about the story and the production and the construction of a suspense film. Why do some filmmakers understand how to shoot suspense stories, and others don’t seem to get it.

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Transcript

Burk 0:27

Hello, welcome to the Cinemondo Podcast with Kathy, Mark and Burk talking about movies, horror, scifi, unusual, unknown, forgotten, under appreciated. Always interesting. Hopefully. Today we're going to talk about what we all just saw pretty recently; the movie is called Green Room. Or is it The Green Room?

Mark 0:52

It's just green room. The Green Room is another movie.

Kathy 0:54

Is it actually green?

Burk 0:57

Well do you know why green rooms are called green rooms?

Kathy 1:00

I do not.

Mark 1:00

I don't either.

Burk 1:01

I don't either.

Kathy 1:02

He's asking.

Mark 1:03

The original green room must have been green was and

Burk 1:06

It was just some backstage room, probably some, you know, like superstitious actor lore, you know, that room has to be green.

Mark 1:15

Or maybe Lorne Greene was the first guest.

Burk 1:17

Could have been. I think that's more likely.

Kathy 1:19

The lighting was sort of sickly, like gross room in the back behind the bar. So it sort of looked greenish.

Mark 1:25

Yeah, it could have been called the drab room.

Speaker 1 1:27

Everyone looked green in it.

Mark 1:28

Yeah.

Burk 1:28

From my experience with nightclubs, the Green Room is always where you get paid. So that's like the green room, you know,

Mark 1:35

It's a positive vibe, right? You go back there, there's you're getting paid, you're also, there should be food there and..

Burk 1:42

Green food.

Mark 1:42

Burk used to be in a band years ago and then they have like a, you know, I set up a shrimp and all kinds of treats.

Burk 1:49

Every time we had riders we demanded certain things.

Kathy 1:54

Only green M& M's.

Burk 1:56

We demand to have electricity.

Kathy 2:00

Air conditioning?

Burk 2:01

And and if possible, air conditioning.

Kathy 2:04

So demanding. So it's pre- Adonis.

Burk 2:07

And if we didn't get those things we didn't play.

Mark 2:10

and people will be upset

Burk 2:11

If there was no electricity, we didn't play.

Kathy 2:15

What was your favorite club to play in Atlanta?

Burk 2:18

There was, I think the 688 club was the classic one that was just so much. The people there, everything was great, but there were some. I mean this movie is about a, a club that's not really the focus of the club isn't really a music club even though it's a music club. It's a, it's a scary. It's a scary nightclub in a way that a lot of clubs back in my memory, I remember clubs like this. I remember these places that you just, you don't want to play there. You don't play there because it's violent and it's, you know, these racist skinhead

Mark 2:52

Or you were, you were scared for your safety or just like, or just like let's just do the set and get out of here kind of thing.

Burk 2:58

There were those two. I, they were, you know, get, you'd get booked into places. I remember one band I was in, we got booked in this club and in Nashville, I think it was Nashville and we were like a pop band, you know, we were sort of like a happy sort of pop band and we show up at this place and we're like, oh no, these are not our people. These are not, these are not, you know, pop people at all.

Kathy 3:23

What were they?

Burk 3:24

They were, they were like, we want some country music.

Mark 3:30

Oh really.

kathy 3:30

Eww!

Burk 3:30

And if you don't play us some country music right now we're going to throw some bottles, at ya and they are going to be full bottles.

Kathy 3:37

Have you had bottles thrown?

Burk 3:38

Oh yeah.

Mark 3:39

Gosh!

Kathy 3:42

That sounds horrifying.

Burk 3:42

I've had bottles hit me and you just sorta keep playing. And you know, you've had people jump up on stage back in those days and

Kathy 3:49

You were, you were playing around Atlanta during Rupaul times, right?

Burk 3:54

Yeah.

Kathy 3:54

You got to meet Rupaul back then. Oh yeah, punk rock, right?

Burk 3:57

Yeah. Ru was all over, all over the place. He was like in bands and just in the circle of friends and hanging out and just exactly what you would think he would be back then. You know, it was, he was sort of a punk rock guy, but he still did the, the gigantic spectacles, the shows that they did were, were pretty amazing.

Kathy 4:18

That's really cool.

Burk 4:19

And the funny thing about him, everybody knew at that time, everybody, it was just sort of a given that someday he's, I mean, he, he said he called himself a superstar back then, you know, when he was playing in these grungy little

Kathy 4:31

Confidence.

Burk 4:32

...dives, he was like, he had that confidence. I am a superstar.

Mark 4:37

And the aura

Burk 4:37

And the aura. Yeah. You knew it. You just looked at this guy or like this, something gigantic is going to happen with him.

Kathy 4:45

I love him much.

Mark 4:47

That Atlanta, Athens, you know, music slash underground scene was pretty vibrant.

Burk 4:53

It was.

Mark 4:54

Y'all know.

Burk 4:55

And be in that. It was, you know, Atlanta is in the south and there's a lot of, you know, racially charged stuff undercurrent and whatever. There were skinheads too. There were these sort of Nazi skinheads that you'd, you know, if you played in clubs and you were loading your equipment out or something real late at night, there would, there would be sometimes there would be these guys hanging out drinking in this, in the alleys and you know, just hanging out in the places. I used to live near the clubs in this area where a lot of the clubs were and sometimes we would just load our equipment right to my house. And you know, if you, if uh, you know, one of your band members happened to have a girlfriend of a different race, you know, you could be attacked in the parking lot.

Mark 5:41

Were there bands that catered to that group that you knew of or played with? I mean, was that a thing?

Burk 5:47

We didn't play with them. They were a club. They were, you know, they had their own little, their own little areas.

Mark 5:52

Gotcha. You just stay clear that.

Burk 5:54

Yeah. But you know, the club scene back then was so small that they would just come hang out just if they wanted to get into a fight and he'd come hang out and wait in the parking lot for somebody, you know, and then they could just mess with them, you know, flick a cigarette at them or something.

Kathy 6:08

The Ku Klux Klan was sort of going on there in that area during that time because remember when Howard Stern would call the

Burk 6:16

Stone Mountain-

Kathy 6:17

Yes, he was in Stone Mountain, what was his name? And He, you know, he had that great sign, but he would always call and talk to that guy and he would talk about their marches and it's creepy to think that we think it's bad now, but that stuff's still active. It's still going on even back in the eighties.

Burk 6:30

So yeah. It's just in the, it's just been, you know, encouraged lately.

Mark 6:37

Yeah, it's been submerged, but it was always there and that's kind of out in the open.

Kathy 6:41

And that I always thought skinheads were kind of a joke because you know, they seemed outdated and they were on the wrong losing side of the whole issue in the war and so it's weird to see this sort of joke of a faction of people that is now sort of considered, not legit, but like formidable when they should be just under a rock somewhere.

Burk 7:03

Well, the thing about the music scene in this movie, the reason we're talking about this stuff is this movie actually takes place in a Nazi skinhead punk rock club in Portland, Oregon, I think in the middle of the woods outside of Portland. I mean it's, it's out in know rural place in that setting is used as a horror setting. You know, it's like a cabin in the woods, but it's a club in the west and people are trapped and there's a, the, the, the, the idea is that a band, you know, kind of a poor up incoming punk rock band who sort of takes whatever gigs they can get. They get booked into this club, not really knowing the extent of what was going on, what's going on in this club. It's a, it's just a nasty, hateful, you know,

Mark 7:47

And it's a nice setup in the beginning of the movie because they're in a van there from Arlington, Virginia, but they're out in the Pacific northwest,

Burk 7:55

Right.

Speaker 1 7:56

And a Gig that they were supposed to have got canceled so there penniless and they play some other gig and nobody's there and they get paid like$5 each or something

Kathy 8:06

They're basically playing for gas money and

Mark 8:08

They say, how are we going to get back from Oregon to Arlington? Well, through this connection, this guy that they met that I know somebody, there's a place you get paid$350 cash, just do it. You'll be, you know, do set and you'll, it'll be like a Saturday afternoon and you're gone. So obviously they're going to take it because that's how they get home.

Kathy 8:27

That probably, that seems to them a big money. Like, oh,$350.

Mark 8:31

That's huge.

Burk 8:31

And they get into this place and it turns out to be just this nasty violent, there's swastikas and Nazis and, and the that kind of thing. Like what we were talking about and I'm talking about back in the eighties with clubs, there were those skin heads, you know, and it was like we always thought they were a joke, you know, they were kind of a joke. I mean there

Kathy 8:50

A fashion statement.

Burk 8:52

But they were scary. They were sort of the opposite of a fashion statement and was kind of the absence of any kind of anything interesting to any of us. It was the opposite of what we were in the scene for. We were in the music scene to do something different and to do something that was interesting and unusual and fun. And

Kathy 9:12

And you weren't racist assholes.

Burk 9:14

Yeah, but their whole thing was all about uniforms. It was like, that was. I remember when punk rock first started the whole idea, I'm sold, but when punk rock first started, the idea was it was diy, man, diy, do it yourself and invent it yourself. And there was a cross between. There was like a high, the early days, it was a hybrid between all kinds of the arts, all different arts. There were people that publish their magazines, these fanzines people who wrote people. You would have a punk rock band and then you would have a poet get up there and read poetry and then you would have a performance artist and then you would have another band who did not sound like the first band and and, and then another band who was a completely different, not even pop music. It might've been some sort of like weird noise, industrial noise music band. But it was. That was the scene. But then when the sort of the rules punks, we used to call them rules punks because they had so many rules.

Kathy 10:15

So many!

Burk 10:16

You had to wear this kind of shoes, this color of belt, this kind of shirt from this store. You know,

Kathy 10:24

This haircut.

Burk 10:25

This exact haircut and you had to use these clippers to cut your hair, you know, or else you are not cool. And that was just so not appealing. And that was. I think that's that when you see that in this movie and you see how regimented all these guys are and the whole idea of what color shoelaces you wear, has something to do with what level you are in the, in the group. Anyway, that's the horror of this film. I'm Green Room.

Mark 10:54

Yeah. And we want to do a deep dive, but we really get into the movie.

Burk 10:59

Say, say it again. What do you want to do? You want to do a

Mark 11:02

uh, deep dive.

Burk 11:05

Whoa.

Kathy 11:06

That was deep.

Mark 11:08

Keep that effect on us for the rest of the podcast.

Burk 11:10

Does that work when you say it? Kathy?

Kathy 11:12

Deep dive.

Burk 11:14

That's so cool.

Mark 11:16

Burk. You got to do it when you guys do it.

Burk 11:18

Okay. Here I go. Deep dive. Wait. Deep dive. I don't know how to do it.

Kathy 11:26

It's a talent when. Sorry. We'll teach you how to do it after this is over and

Burk 11:30

Show me again

Mark 11:32

Deep dive.

Burk 11:36

It's so good. Anyway, here's our first deep dive. What is the deep dive?

Mark 11:41

We just talk about Green Room and get in depth into the story into a, you know, who made it and who starred in it and why it's so good.

Kathy 11:49

I think it's also sort of relevant today because know since there's that new awareness will say, have, you know, white supremacy, I think that made this movie even scarier than the first time I watched it when white supremacy wasn't, was kind of like in the shadows where it should be. So

Burk 12:06

It hadn't been popularized.

Kathy 12:07

It wasn't popular.

Mark 12:08

Those places are out there.

Kathy 12:10

Oh yeah. They've always been out there.

Mark 12:11

Yeah. So it started stars the late uh, Anton Yelchin and which is sad to watch because he's such a good actor.

Burk 12:20

He's so great in this too. As a, as a American young American band musician.

Mark 12:26

Yeah. He's kind of like the leader of the band and

Kathy 12:29

in case you know, people are aware who that is. He played Chekov and the new Star Trek movies. JJ Abrams movies, right? Yes.

Mark 12:35

And some other interesting stuff. Really good. A great actor. I said Patrick Stewart, who is also another Star Trek alum, um, a different Star Trek

Kathy 12:45

Using a southern accent, which was kind of interesting.

Burk 12:48

Yeah.

Kathy 12:49

A good one. Not overplayed.

Burk 12:50

But still with that Patrick Stewart gravitas, you know, he still, when he shows up, he's everybody's dad.

Kathy 12:57

Authority instantly.

Mark 12:58

And Mason Blair who is in all of Jeremy Saulnier's films. This is the third one. The first one was miss a Murder Party, which haven't seen.

Kathy 13:06

Oh yeah, I saw Murder Party. That was great. It wasn't, but let's not say great, but it was a great concept and a very interesting little low budget movie.

Mark 13:14

Right. So I'll have to see that. And the second one was Blue Ruin, which I think is really good and kind of really put them on the map. Very Coen Brothers, a Blood Simple-ish and um, really worth checking out. And then of course a Green Room, which was from 2015. And as we've said, it's a punk rock band that gets this gig in, in rural Oregon somewhere. And they show up and of course, you know, you hit, they're driving in these. See the. See the compound and if I was in that van, I'm like, I don't know about this place.

Burk 13:48

There's definitely clubs. It's like, you know, when you're looking for a hotel or something in the town you're looking at this place. It's like, now let's go on to the next.

Kathy 13:56

But they were so desperate.

Mark 13:57

They needed the money. They get home so they just suck it up and go in there and they go into the Green Room.

Kathy 14:03

Oh, but you know, they bring up an interesting thing I thought is that they asked everyone what's your desert island album, the one album that you would take to a desert island. That's kind of a thread that goes through the story we saw. Thinking about that ourselves, what would you guys have?

Burk 14:18

It's impossible. I can't do that.

Kathy 14:20

It's so hard. I couldn't tell him that.

Mark 14:21

Oh Gosh. I would be embarrassed to say, yeah, I'd be shunned for them.

Burk 14:26

I don't even think I have. I think that's kind of a question for younger people. Like, what's your favorite color? You know, it's uh, it's like I can't pick like, what's your favorite movie? You know, I don't have a favorite movie.

Kathy 14:37

Well, I It's okay if it changes. I think you just pick your album or movie in the moment and then tomorrow it might be a different album or it depends on, you know.

Burk 14:44

But I think that the ideas of desert island means this is the, this is forever. This is going to be the only thing. If it's just like, what? What's the album that you want to listen to today? That's

Kathy 14:57

I mean when you answer it. You're not being beholden. Like if you get on an island, they won't hold you to that original.

Mark 15:02

But I wouldn't put that much thought into it because I pick something and then it'd be in the desert. Boy, I really picked this one? Gee whiz

Burk 15:07

And now you're stuck with it. Mark for the rest of your life.

Mark 15:10

I like Captain and Tennille.

Burk 15:13

But after a couple of years on the island,.

Kathy 15:17

Like in the movie he'll, they're all answering[inaudible]. They're a punk band and they're talking to a guy at the Mohawks. They want to make sure they sound cool. So their name and all of this hardcore punk stuff like Cromags and

Burk 15:26

The Misfits, of course.

Kathy 15:28

The Damned, did you say Iggy Pop. I don't remember they, they said there was a line about him not being right for a desert island. I don't remember why.

Burk 15:35

It's funny. I thought when they said the Damned, I thought that was kind of interesting because the Damned are pop kind of pop.

Kathy 15:41

But they have that name and attitude but they're not.

Burk 15:44

But that almost struck me. They're not, they're not Cro Mags or the Misfits.

Speaker 1 15:49

They're, they're like a, they're the almost like a, like a sunshine pop band in some ways with a sort of a monster edge, you know, like a monster pop band.

Mark 15:59

Well they were just trying to make it and say let's just be a punk band. So they go and they go to the green room, right. And they set up, unless they're going to be on 20 minutes. So they go on and they do their set and before they start the first song, uh, Anton Yelchin character goes, well, let's mix it up a bit or something. He says something like that.

Burk 16:22

I think it's one of those things where like, do you want to do this or not, you know.

Kathy 16:26

Their afraid to do their first song because it anti-skinheads. So they just go into a, you know, the Dead Kennedys, Nazi Punks Fuck Off, which is a, you know, 85 seconds of fun.

Burk 16:40

But it's not a, it's not like a"hi Nazis" were on your side.

Mark 16:44

Not at all.

Kathy 16:46

But I think, in a way. Even though the audience kind of reacted like, what the fuck. It's like they were still kind of appreciative that they had the balls to play it. Like, yeah, okay.

Mark 16:53

They got a couple of bottles thrown at them a couple of--maybe there was a spit, some spitting and..

Kathy 16:58

But I think they liked it because okay, we get it.

Mark 17:00

And then the next song they started to get into it. So this set actually went pretty well, I would think. So the set's finished. They walked back to the Green Room.

Kathy 17:11

Dun-dun-dun!

Mark 17:12

And the door's closed and they just opened the door and walk in and there they see,

Burk 17:18

Well they...no, they go back there and they're fine. Everything's good. And the girls charging her cell phone and they're leaving, they're like on their way out the door and everything is, is they got their money and their, their heading back and everything is good. Like with a, with a, with a lot of good horror films. There's one tiny thing that if it didn't happen and she said, oh, I gotta go get my phone. I left my phone in there.

Mark 17:44

Never forget your cell phone.

Burk 17:45

Never, you know, never have to go. You should never have to turn around and go back to someplace in a horror film.

Kathy 17:53

Is that her name, Ali Sawkhat?

Mark 17:53

Uh, I think it's Shawkat. Yeah.

Kathy 17:56

I don't think we mentioned who's in the cast. You probably know her from Arrested Development. She's awesome. Really good. Really is good.

Burk 18:03

And she's using a lot of stuff.

Mark 18:05

She's always, I'm always does a good job. But she goes back to get her cell phone, opens the door and then sees a dead girl on the floor with a knife in her temple. And two guys kind of standing over

Kathy 18:19

Looking guilty.

Mark 18:20

Looking guilty.

Burk 18:21

And can another girl over there too. That's another girl looking shellshocked.

Mark 18:25

Played by imogen Poots just such an awesome...

Kathy 18:29

You just like to same that name. We need an echo on that. Or we need the deep dive.

Mark 18:33

Imogen Poots. Big fan by the way. So anyway, so they see this and all of a sudden it's, oh shit.

Kathy 18:44

Witnesses.

Mark 18:47

And kind of mayhem how it happens. They don't know what to do. Like the one guy who was in the big dude says you should have locked the door, you know, or back and forth, but they're stuck in the green room until this is sorted out.

Kathy 18:59

Just for their own safety. They're told just just to keep you here til we figured this out. Right. And the body.

Mark 19:06

And of course the punk rockers want them to call the cops and they're not going to get out until, you know, I'm not gonna leave until the cops show up. And uh, and that's just, that's, that's they're, they're stuck. Yeah. That's the setup. It's a contained thriller. They're in the Green Room. These bad dudes are out there.

Kathy 19:23

We don't really know what happened.

Mark 19:25

We don't know who the leader is until they call the head guy, Darcy and that's played by Patrick Stewart and he's just, you know, comes in and he's a cool and calm collected maniac. He's the leader.

Kathy 19:41

Ruthless.

Mark 19:42

And he, he kind of know what's going to happen, you know, like, you know, uh, Yeltsin's character calls up to calls the cops. And I said, oh no, I'm sorry. Uh, somebody else calls her, there's been a stabbing.

Burk 19:59

Right when she sees it, she just got her phone that she was charging and she calls nine one one and she's like, there's been a stabbing here, there's been a stabbing and they grab her phone away from her. Right, right. But they have to cover for the fact that she's already reported a stabbing. Right. So one of the guys calls back and says, yes, there's a stabbing. And then, um, you know, police come and then of course what they do is they go outside, they, they have two young guys, they're skinheads.

Kathy 20:24

Idiots.

Burk 20:24

And Darcy says, I need to pull 650 bucks out of the till here. And he goes and pays one of these boys to be stabbed by another one to, to be the stabbing that was reported.

Mark 20:37

And they use the right size blade, like this will not go deep enough to cause internal

Burk 20:42

And it won't be illegal. It's under the legal. Within the legal limit. Yeah. And he said if you have to do time, I'll pay double.

Kathy 20:50

Yeah. And the kids like, yeah, I've done it before. He's like the stabbing guy all the time. You have to be stabbed again.

Mark 20:56

Get Phil. So the police show up and uh, they see what's going on and they're satisfied that this is what happened. And they leave. So the cops are gone.

Kathy 21:08

See, that's like the worst cops ever. I mean, you know, they didn't stop and get evidence. They didn't, they didn't really do much of anything.

Burk 21:16

Well I got the impression that the cops get called to this place constantly. And there's always just some. And they probably feel like, oh, it's these guys beating themselves up again.

Kathy 21:24

And they made it look like that too. So that's another fight.

Mark 21:28

And then might have been some connection with Darcy because when he gets out of his truck and the first is on his, on his doors, it's like a 24 hour emergency service. So he has some sort of his business, his other business might be some sort of know they might have a relationship with the police. Yeah. So maybe they get a little bit less. That's true, you know, purview. So anyway. Um, so basically this band is stuck at this club and they don't know what to do. They still think the cops are coming but they're not going to come.

Kathy 21:59

No, they come and gone.

Mark 22:01

So how are they going to get out?

Burk 22:03

But it's a classic. We were like, we've been talking about this isolation horror films. They're trapped in this, in this club, kind of in the green room in a way that the guys in The Thing or trapped at the, at the research station. And there's a threat out there that they don't. I mean in this case it's a human threat of course, but it's like, it's, you know, they don't know how many. They don't know what kind of weapons they have because they keep speculating. They're like, if they had guns, they just shoot us right now. If they are, but they don't want to. They're like some reason why they're not shooting us, you know, there's some reason why this and this and this and it turns out that, you know, the character Darcy is being very tactical about everything and he wants to. He's trying to figure it out. He's trying to use these sort of obedient goons that he has under his control to, to enact this tactical response to a problem in his, in his club. And you're in. You're also wondering why don't they just. I mean, why is he being so loyal to this guy, to this guy who killed a girl? You know, I mean, these people are such sociopaths already. Why does it need, why don't they just throw that one to the police, you know, and just, and call it a day and everything is fine, but it turns out that, you know, these guys are trying to escape from the green room. At one point they'd start kicking the floorboards in and they go down underneath the place and they realize, oh, okay, there's a heroine lab down here and now it all becomes clear and now it becomes even more grim because they're like, you know what, they're not trying to protect the guy that killed this girl. They're trying to keep the police from coming to discover their, their giant underground drug lab.

Kathy 23:45

And now we know about the underground lab. Now what's gonna happen to us? Because they're. They're sort of still banking on. Well, they're just going to let us go. Right once this is figured out. But I think there is. They're getting this sickening feeling that it's going to be worse than that.

Mark 23:59

You know, Darcy and his gang that he's a smart guy, but also the band is smart. They do smart things and they realize they're in trouble.

Kathy 24:08

But like how they're not like superheroes smart. Like they're kind of panicking like, like how you feel. You would be like, oh crap, what are we gonna do? Oh no, but you're like, we could try this, like totally stupid, but you don't feel like they're being unrealistically smart either. It's like very savvy but realistic, very grounded.

Burk 24:25

And they're in and they do put you in these situations where, you know, and of course it's Patrick Stewart with his voice outside the door saying just hand me the gun, you know, he's not using his real accent, but he's doing a sort of a southern accent I think. Right? Portland accent.

Mark 24:42

It's just some sort of rural take and...

Burk 24:46

But it's still got his, the reverb and natural, you know, Captain Picard and he's outside the door. Just being so convincing and charming and, and, and apparently realistic about it. He's like, look, we just don't want this unregistered gun to get into the hands of the police. We don't want to get into trouble. All you have to do is give us the gun and we'll let you go. And he's saying it in such a way that you're like, okay dad, you know.

Kathy 25:12

What they want to hear too. We just gave him the gun and get out of here. That's all we want to tell him.

Burk 25:16

We won't tell anybody I promise, you know, that's always the thing in, in movies, like all the classic film noir type things where somebody sees something that they shouldn't see and they know that having seen it endangers them and they're like, I swear I won't tell anybody. No. So sad.

Mark 25:33

But they also have guy, they're a big, I think his name was Justin, who they sort of a, they got ahold of his gun and they sort of holding him hostage so they have a low. That's why I don't think that's why they're not storming in there because they don't want obviously justin to die. Um, but I think if I remember correctly, um, when they try to do the gun transfer, you know, and he opens the door and then he sees, you know, Patrick Stewart than they see some boots, some red laces...

Burk 26:01

Yeah, through the vent on the floor and she sees these red laces and she knows what that means. She's like, they're killing us.

Kathy 26:07

Do you think everybody knows what red laces means?

Mark 26:09

I don't.

Kathy 26:10

Do you know what that means?

Burk 26:11

I do. Tell us, Kathy,

Kathy 26:15

It means that blood has been shed for the Brotherhood, so he at least knows people who won't back down if, if it comes to violence, like they are the hardcore. So you see him, you know, they probably hurt people.

Mark 26:26

Gotcha. Yeah. And they hurt his arm pretty bad.

Kathy 26:29

Oh, that's so gross. Just slamming the door is stuck in the door in their hacking and almost cut it off.

Burk 26:39

He's trying to hold onto the gun and he finally lets go with the gun...

Mark 26:42

..and he pulls his hand back and his wrists hands basically dangling by like...

Kathy 26:46

It was so gross. That's probably the worst thing in the movie. I think that's one of the...

Burk 26:50

That box cutter thing is pretty awful. So it's got some pretty, pretty icky, gory stuff.

Mark 26:55

And Amber, who is sort of the girlfriend who was not in the band but it's stuck in the room with them.

Kathy 27:00

Poots.

Mark 27:00

So it's. Yeah, Poots. Poots.

Burk 27:08

We're not making fun of her name.

Mark 27:09

Oh No, not at all. I like her a lot. I wonder why we're going to do an Imogen Poots podcast anyway. Well yeah. Anyway, they take, she takes a box cutter to Justin, the bad guy in there and it's just, I mean, it just as a box cutter, it's like, it's like a zipper sort of just like, it just pulls up to his sternum, just spreads apart.

Kathy 27:30

Nasty. It was gross. I liked it.

Mark 27:36

It was deserved it. That guy was going to do some damage. Um, so they're smart. Patrick Stewart is smart and, but they're still stuck there and the air in the middle of nowhere. So how did they get out?

Burk 27:46

But that's the thing that they're smart and what you just said is such an important thing in movies like this where you were, there's suspense and I think we talk about suspense and you see movies that are described either labeled suspense, film, you know, but so many movies don't really have the level of suspense because you're not, you're not buying this person, you're not, you don't believe this character because they're being so stupid or is, you know, some other of the many reasons why suspense films don't work. But this one worked because they're smart. It worked because I would probably be at least hoping I was that smart in such a situation and maybe be doing some of these things because there's so many movies you see where you're like, oh, they should have. Why didn't they, you know, why don't they just,

Mark 28:36

They're good at improvising. Like they improvise weapons. Yeah. They get like a fire extinguisher. And when the dog that, you know, these dogs come in.

Kathy 28:44

Well they decide to finally leave the room. They go out to the bar, which is empty, suspiciously empty, right?

Mark 28:50

And so, uh, one of the characters picks up a fire extinguisher smart.

Kathy 28:53

Ali.

Mark 28:54

And then, um, they see pitbulls coming after him.

Kathy 28:58

Pit bulls.

Mark 28:59

Who we love. Darwin, don't hear this part. But they're very smart.

Burk 29:06

They're trained to be fighting dogs and they keep them in those little cages and they, you can tell these guys, use them in dog fights.

Mark 29:12

And the fight word is"foss". Which a wolf in German. And uh, and unfortunately the lead singer, I think his name was a Tiger or something like that.

Kathy 29:24

Yes, it was.

Mark 29:24

Gets chewed up pretty good. And he, he dies.

Kathy 29:28

But then in another smart move they're trying to beat the dog with to get him off of him with a mic stand and they realize it's creating feedback, which is actually is the thing that's driving the dog away. So they really amplify and make the feedback, chase the dogs out of the club.

Burk 29:41

But when you put a microphone next to a speaker and what happens is a mic stand, falls over and the microphone lands right next to the monitor and it just starts a feedback squeal, which everybody's heard.

Kathy 29:52

Yeah. It's hard to watch. Just know. It was like, ugh.

Burk 29:54

But everybody's heard that sound. If you've ever been to a nightclub or seen a live band, there's always going to be somebody who gets a mic too close to a speaker and it, dogs hate that noise.

Kathy 30:04

Yeah. So yeah, it turns into a bit of a clusterfuck because Tiger gets killed by the dog.

Mark 30:08

And then the other guy, Reese, who was the drummer, tries to crawl out a window. He gets hacked to death outside with a machete.

Kathy 30:16

I like that all the action happened. Like all of a sudden.

Mark 30:18

All of a sudden they're down two people...

Burk 30:22

And the stakes are high because your, your characters, your main people are dying, you know. And so it becomes one of those films like who's going to survive? Is Anybody gonna live through this?

Kathy 30:32

So back to the green room. We go, oh yeah, they have to go deep attempts. The only safe place they have to go now is back to that same room.

Mark 30:42

And there is another, you know, skinhead, uh, his name is Daniel and he, there was a subplot where they found out that he was going to escape with Emily, who is the murdered girl.

Kathy 30:55

Having as a little love triangle.

Mark 30:57

Right. So, uh, I guess Darcy calls you and said to Daniel, go in there and take care of this.

Burk 31:03

Because this band from out of town has killed your girlfriend, he tries to get them to think that this band. Like when the guy believes him for some reason, like why would a band come and kill a girl in the green room? So he gets into the green room and the girl, the girl who witnessed everything, she said, you believe that, why would you know this is what really happened and he believes he believes her because it just rings true. Right. And so he is on their side now. So they have..

Kathy 31:34

And he flips quick too, which I thought was funny. Like he's like, okay, I'm a trader. Like instantly he sees it, he believes it because he knows that this is something that the skinheads, which...

Mark 31:42

I think also there was some shots of him earlier that like he doesn't, you know, he's, he wants out of this. Right. And you know, he listens to darcy because he's the, he's the leader so he's going to do that. But he's still thinking. He said so it probably didn't take it. So it probably didn't take much for him to flip. I totally bought that.

Kathy 31:58

Yeah. Because you felt he was on his way out. Anyway. So.

Burk 32:01

Well that's the thing I've known. I've actually known some people over the years back in the olden days and that people that used to be involved in groups like that and who later grew up and realized how awful it is and actually used to do, I'm done some like covered tattoos and things for people who needed to not have those tattoos. But the thing is, it's like one of the reasons they always say, like when you ask them like, why did you get involved in this in the first place? It was basically like they were my only friends and then you ask them why didn't you get out? And then they say, I was scared, you know, and when a, when a kid is young and some people really gullible, obviously they hear, they hear all this stuff and they just say, okay, that's my opinion too. I'm, I'm with you.

Mark 32:56

One of Darcy's lines is, this is not a party, it's a movement. Right? And that's, he's got to remind some of these young guys who were just there to listen to music and have fun. No, this is more serious than that. And uh, and so

Kathy 33:09

it's probably get a lot of these people were kind of lost in their lives anyway and I think they have a sense of community and family and that it's the only time they really felt supported. So there are a lot easier to manipulate when they're inside that situation. So you're probably just like soldiers.

Burk 33:21

And a lot of these people, this is, I mean this is my opinion, I think a lot of these people are just failures in life. They are unable to cope and they're too weak to really fight for good and you know, fight for, to make their lives better. And so they need somebody to blame for that. And if, if you know, if a figure like Patrick Stewart's character Darcy comes in and says, here's who you need to blame, here's the problem. And they start going, okay, so it's not me. I'm not, I'm not the failure. It's those people that...

Kathy 33:53

Sort of like..

Burk 33:54

That took my, took my jobs. And it's not that the reason I can't get a job, it isn't because I'm a wimpy little guy who doesn't really, isn't talented as it can't really function in the world. It's because some other person has taken my job.

Kathy 34:11

Yeah. That's not good. Okay. So Daniel. So anyway, the trader, the skinhead trader now is helping the band get out of the green room once again, we're leaving the Green Room.

Mark 34:21

Yes. And we go to and he goes, he goes to, they go to the club, like behind the bar and he goes, I know something. And uh, and he goes to grab something from the bar underneath the bar and he gets shot in the face...

Kathy 34:34

By the bartender. Yeah.

Mark 34:37

Dead. That was another like, wow, I thought it was so quick. So he's gone.

Burk 34:41

So here's their great ally.

Kathy 34:43

You think you have this like, Oh, good support. Like in usual movies, the beat would be okay, now that they have an ally that we can work with this a little bit. But how did they get rid of the alley instantly. So there's that plot lines gone.

Burk 34:54

That's another thing we were talking about, we were with this movie where I think we were talking about it with Alien, um, where, you know, Captain Dallas gets, gets killed by the alien really early in the film and he sorta like the strong guy. You're thinking, oh, he's the guy who's gonna save everybody. He's a guy with good ideas and the plan and the, he's the captain and he knows everything, but he gets taken out of the story and in this movie, the guy in their band, I think it was Tiger who is the one who looks and seems like the fighter, you know, he is

Mark 35:26

Reece. I think that was Reece actually. Yeah, he was the guy that was holding Justin right arm.

Kathy 35:31

He was the bad ass.

Burk 35:33

He seems like, okay, this guy is going to be the attack that he's going to be the attack for us and he's going to win, you know. And, and Anton Yelchin is the one who gets this horrible injury and he seems to be sort of a little bit more of a passive guy.

Kathy 35:48

But he was like yelling and screaming and crying like you would not count on this guy, right? Like, okay, you settle into like sort of this natural, you know, the movie tropes of like, okay, he's the strong hero guy. We're going to align with him, here's a guy going to help us. Like you kind of feel a little comfortable and this maybe just kind of pulls the rug out from under you and does it. You don't really know where to turn or who to trust what's happened...

Mark 36:08

And so quickly because when those two guys go, recent tiger gone in two minutes and then, okay, Daniel is going to be on one. Gone.

Kathy 36:14

Gone now who we gonna have?

Burk 36:16

But that's another thing I was telling you guys that I watched this movie around the same time that I rewatched for the millionth time, ah, Deliverance.

Kathy 36:24

Yes.

Burk 36:25

And that's another thing that I was thinking this movie has in common with Deliverance. There's a few little threads that I was thinking about, but one of them is the fact that it's a, it's kind of a, um, isolation horror film. You know, they're trapped on this river by these, by a threat, you know.

Kathy 36:39

Out in the woods

Burk 36:40

Out in the woods. But the other thing that I think was interesting about it is you got Burt Reynolds who's like the manliest manly man who was ever in a film, right?

Kathy 36:49

Unbelievably hot in this movie seriously.

Burk 36:51

And he's got the bow and arrow and he's like Mr outdoors and the other guys are these sort of wimpy sort of pale city boys. He's wearing that black sort of. Yeah, the wet suit with a sleepless wet suit and he's smoking the little cigars. He's just the coolest guy in the world. He's the guy you would want to be with in the woods if something went wrong.

Kathy 37:12

I would like to be in the woods with Burt Reynolds.

Burk 37:15

But what happens to him? He gets taken out, you know, and it's. And so that's a similar similarity in this movie where you get all these people you think are going to be your teammate. You know, like the guy who turns trader and it's to start helping them, you know, four minutes later, boom, he's gone.

Kathy 37:31

See that scary when you're all of a sudden the floor drops out and you're like, is this going to be up to me? Like this can't be up to me. Like, oh no. And you're sort of getting the feeling that these, these are not equipped to handle it people are..

Mark 37:44

In both of these movies. It's like, yeah, it's not the person you expect it.

Burk 37:48

Right. And you got Ned Beatty out there who's having to be a hero and he, he follows through, you know, and John Voight, the guy who smokes a pipe, you know.

Kathy 37:58

The big blue eyes. I'm like, yeah.

Burk 37:59

You just never get the impression he's never been out of his apartment complex.

Kathy 38:04

I like my stay at home life. Yeah. Everyone is like, wimp!

Burk 38:08

This is where it is out here in the wilderness and then boop, he's crying in the canoe and...

Kathy 38:15

And now it's up to John Voight. I like to be at home with my wife and I have to like protect everyone.

Mark 38:20

Yeah, it's like that new film on Netflix, Calibre, you know, like you're, you're just taken out of your comfort zone. Like, thanks for taking me out here.

Kathy 38:29

The only person you can trust is the Alpha male that you're then like, you're fucking this up so bad right now. Why am I with.

Mark 38:34

I just want to be home. Why did I do this? But..

Burk 38:38

But we should. We should actually wrap this one up. We've gone on a deep dive into the Green Room, but we have a little more to do. Should we do a little bit..okay.

Kathy 38:47

Yes, let's keep going. It's a little longer.

Mark 38:50

Yeah. I mean just to further the plot right after Daniel gets killed, the bartender comes back to the green. Well, no, they don't get. The bartender comes in with a rifle and then somebody hacks them with a machete in the neck. So, but, and then um, but the dog comes in and kills Sam.

Kathy 39:11

Another dog down dog didn't die but it killed someone.

Burk 39:13

Yeah. And these characters that you really liked too, Sam is really cool and you think she's really smart with the, with the fire extinguisher and the mic stand.

Mark 39:21

She's gone too. So you down to Amber and Pat, which is, you know, Yelchin's character, and they go back to the green room.

Kathy 39:26

Back in the green room!

Mark 39:26

Now what? We're down to two people.

Kathy 39:29

Two of us, and there's a bunch of red laces out there and dogs. Now they have dogs that are attack dogs. Yeah. And Darcy sends two other guys in to sort of, you know, finished the job, right? And you know, just, uh, you know, three of three bullets or something like that. And they go in and then Amber and Pat are super smart. It's a trap!

Mark 39:51

They're super smart.

Burk 39:52

But they know it's a trap and they say this is a trap. But then they also say, but we got to do it because Darcy will be mad at us if we don't do this and apparently the wrath of Darcy is worth being, you know, putting themselves into mortal danger.

Kathy 40:09

Well, they're good soldiers, you know, and they know that, that there's really no choice in what they have to do.

Burk 40:12

They're scared little boys.

Kathy 40:14

Right.

Speaker 4 40:15

So they risk everything and you know, they get killed!

Kathy 40:20

One of them gets lured into the lab.

Burk 40:22

But they get killed because, because Pat and Amber sorta go commando, you know, they, they sort of, Amber goes over and gets a Sharpie and she's like, okay, this is it, this is do or die, you know, we've got this one chance to survive. And so they do this really cool, kind of a tricky thing where he puts on the one of the dead guy's, you know, skinhead jacket. And there's, of course there's a, there's some made in USA hair clippers laying over there somewhere. And he, he shaves his hair off so he looks like a skinhead and he sorta messes his face up. So you can't really see who he is.

Mark 41:02

Kinda Cammo is it a little bit or something?

41:04

And then he pretends like he's one of the skinheads who just killed them. And when the other guy comes in or in the other two guys come in and then it, it's, it's a turnaround, which is kinda cool.

Mark 41:15

Very cool. Um, and so anyway, Gabe, who maybe we haven't mentioned, but he um, you know, uh, one of the bad guys, but you sort of feel like he kind of has a little more empathy and sort of understands the situation.

Burk 41:32

Like a lot of these guys seem like they want a way out, you know?

Mark 41:34

Yeah. It felt like this guy was kind of a decent guy, but he's just on the wrong side.

Kathy 41:40

He seemed calmer, less malevolent. Like he, he didn't seem like a red lace guy. Like he, he ran the club.

Mark 41:46

Well he, he got red laces in the movie from finally he earned them.

Kathy 41:50

But it didn't seem like the guy who was at hardcore. So when you see him, you're kind of like a now because you're not sure who to trust anymore at this point.

Burk 41:59

And meanwhile Patrick Stewart's character, Darcy seems like he's been through stuff like this before, you know, he seems like he's had these situations happen in and he's kind of calmly. Okay. We have to figure this out. Tactically we have to do..

Mark 42:11

Super quick on his feet.

Burk 42:13

Yeah. And so he comes up with a plan, he comes up with this idea where they're going to take the, the bands van on this property that says no trespassing and they're gonna set everything up to make it look like this band, you know, our heroes, you know, broke into his property and we're stealing his gas and that he was justified in shooting them.

Mark 42:35

Right. And uh, so anyway, Gabe, going back to back to the club Gabe, sees the dead guys and realizes, you know, sort of the Jig is up and uh, pat and amber sort of, you know, at gunpoint, say, you know, get us out of here.

Kathy 42:52

And you're like hope he's worth trusting.

Mark 42:55

Yeah. And so they just started following him.

Kathy 42:57

They do hold him at gunpoint.

Mark 43:00

They do, they do. And meanwhile you see one of the poor pit bulls just sort of walking along the street, you know.

Kathy 43:05

The one that was scared out with the feedback

Burk 43:06

And his chain is dragging behind him.

Kathy 43:09

He's just walking down the street.

Mark 43:12

But they end up walking to this. Where this setup is, this field where they have the van and the dead bodies and our heroes basically tell Gabe, you know, get outta here, get the cops and he listens to them and leaves and at gunpoint they go around the van and they see these guys and they, uh, you know, basically stick them up.

Burk 43:36

But they see Patrick Stewart and the other guy setting up this fake crime scene.

Mark 43:40

They say like, they're going to blame this on us and there's a confrontation, which is the climax of the film. And uh, it turns into a shootout and they just, they kill everybody.

Kathy 43:52

Kill skinheads!

Burk 43:53

And Patrick Stewart starts to run away, you know, is one of those kind of..

Mark 43:57

He turns and walks. He sort of does the one eight. He just starts walking away as he's getting his gun.

Kathy 44:04

Kind of nonchalantly like I'm outta here, like he's leaving a bad party or something.

Burk 44:09

But I was kind of expecting him to say, look guys, we can handle this. We can work this out. I have an, I have an idea. Here's what you do, you know. And, but I think by then it was too far. It's too far gone.

Kathy 44:21

I think he's cutting his losses. I don't think I'm going to turn this on. I'm just going to walk away and pretend like it's not happening. Yeah.

Mark 44:24

I'm going to walk away thinking that they're nervous, scared they're not going to be able to hit me and I'll get a couple of shots in and you know, maybe survive this and then he got one in the head and that was...

Burk 44:34

It was one of those situations where I was looking at, you know, and Patrick Stewart standing there and they, and you know, the guy has a gun on him. I thought we were going to have the beam effect and he was going to get beamed away and you know, he was going to thank you, Mr. Data.

Mark 44:48

That would've been a great switcheroo.

Burk 44:52

Yeah. And you know, the other two characters are like what happened? He just disappeared.

Kathy 44:57

And then he sees Chekov beamed up there and see him.

Mark 45:01

Skinhead Star Trek, a whole different thing.

Kathy 45:04

So then now, you know, of course, you know, our two heroes are completely exhausted and they just kinda just sit by the side of the road going, what the fuck just happened.

Burk 45:13

And the two of them are sitting there in much the same way that uh, the two characters at the end of The Thing are sitting there exhausted, having defeated. They think, you know, the, the enemy and...

Kathy 45:24

And they have this great shot, like they hear this weird noise and they, they look down the dirt road and see this dog walking toward them, dragging his leash and that's this big pit bull. So they, they instantly like go into like point their guns at it. But then the dog just ignores them and walks past and he just kind of track it with their guns. A dog walks past them to his dog handler and just lays down next to his dead dog handler and they just kinda go, okay.

Burk 45:47

Even though the guy mistreated him and used him as a fighting dog.

Mark 45:50

But he was still his master.

Kathy 45:51

And that's like the dogs weren't attacking them because he hated them. You know? It was like, that was something he was taught.

Burk 45:57

He was doing what his master told him to do, which is what dogs do, right? Yeah, exactly.

Kathy 46:02

Technically, Darcy was the dog handler. I think ultimately what it came down to is he had a bunch of dogs. He wasn't hanging out.

Burk 46:07

And he had them all whipped and scared.

Kathy 46:09

And that was...

Mark 46:10

Yeah, that was it.

Kathy 46:11

And that was pretty great ending. Yeah.

Mark 46:12

Great. And they just talked about, you know, uh, you know, uh, Pat's character said, I'll tell you what my favorite, my desert island disc is, is how they kind of.

Burk 46:20

And then she says, why don't you tell somebody who cares and it cuts to black and you never find out his favorite record. Right. I really wanted to know.

Mark 46:27

I think it was Billy Joel 52nd Street. I want to just say that's what it was.

Kathy 46:32

I think you're right. I think it's going to be really white. Yeah.

Burk 46:34

But they use that joke. They had a, they had her say a Simon and Garfunkel and then the other guy said Prince.

Kathy 46:41

And then like they all kind of the facade started falling away like we're not the cool punk rock. I like everything hardcore. They started kind of just revealing that I really am. I like Prince instead of The Damned or.

Burk 46:54

I think he probably said Tubular Bells.

Mark 46:57

Anything from Mike Oldfield.

Burk 46:59

Hergest Ridge maybe.

Mark 47:01

But it's a, you know, it's a really lean. There's not an ounce of fat on this movie. Characters or well developed within the dialogue and you see their transformation, so it's a great 85 minutes.

Burk 47:12

And it's suspenseful. That's the thing that's missing in so many movies. I think a lot of people think they're making a suspense film. They put these things in it that they think, okay, if I have somebody doing this, it'll be suspense suspenseful, but it's not. It's. It doesn't always work. But this one, I think the guy understands how you ratchet things up and how you put people in certain situations and how you characterize people and how a character reveals what they can and can't do and they're not just this whimpering cry baby or they're not just this mindless hero and they're not just this person who has the great ideas, the nerd, you know, they're real people. They're there and you feel like, you know, when they do things. I love movies when I watched the people in peril and they do things that I think, oh, that's something that I probably wouldn't have thought of that. That's really smart. That's a lot or things where you were. You're saying that's exactly what I would've done. You know, and what a great weapon a mic stand is. Everybody knows mic stand is a metal bar with a really heavy weight at the end of it.

Kathy 48:23

I wouldn't have thought of that.

Burk 48:25

So here, you know, there's one shot of the girl standing there where the mic stand and I was like, that is a great weapon. You can swing that around. You hit somebody in the head with that

Kathy 48:32

Knocked the gun out of their hands. But I also liked how they made the skinheads, the bad guys, and it wasn't over the top. It wasn't like, you know, this glowering comic book depiction. It was like they were a little complicated, you know, it wasn't just this one note performance by anybody or one note on your idea of what skin heads are.

Burk 48:51

Well skinheads are usually the bad guys, right?

Mark 48:53

I mean they're bad here obviously, but they're also the. Even this little roles are there some dimension to the character.

Kathy 49:01

They're some that are not as certain.

Mark 49:03

They're not as certain. that we have to do this. We're a little scared because we don't do this. We're going to get in trouble. That kind of thing.

Burk 49:09

That point comes across in the film too that a lot of these guys might not be as into the ideology as they are just into being scared of the leader.

Mark 49:16

I think the most ruthless character on their side was actually the dog handler. It seemed like just a bad ass know he was just doing, you know, he's very cold and calculating.

Kathy 49:27

He seemed to care about the dogs, but then it's not like I want my dog to die in meat in his teeth, but at the same time he seemed really gentle with them and like it was a really hard complicated.

Burk 49:38

But he was exploiting them. Thinking of like Darcy is being gentle with his, with his red lace guys, but he's exploiting them. He's using their, you know, their whatever pit bull nature these people have. This guy is taking a dog, a pit bull, which is normally the sweetest dog in the world, the most loyal creature and he's, he's exploiting that dog with the gentleness and that's what's so creepy about it. He's petting the dog and saying, Oh, I want him to die with meat in his mouth, but it's like you're abusing this beautiful animal.

Mark 50:12

How did it, how did he train that dog? Yeah, to do what he wants...

Burk 50:17

By abusing it and exploiting its nature.

Kathy 50:19

Exactly what Darcy did his troops like. I feel like he was sending in the dogs, this guy was sending in his dogs and it's all like in a way wasn't even the dog or the people who are making the decisions that were being made for them and they just, you know, in a way the dog just trotted pass those people because that wasn't his job to kill these people anymore. Right.

Burk 50:38

It's in the dog's nature to do what is master wants and that's what the dog was doing.

Kathy 50:43

Deep dive.

Burk 50:44

Deep dive.

Kathy 50:45

There you go. Probably more information you'd ever need on Green Room.

Burk 50:48

Say it again.

Kathy and Mark 50:50

Deep Dive.

Burk 50:53

That's so cool. I wish I could do that. Deep dive.

Mark 50:57

Still sounds pretty good.

Kathy 50:59

You'll just have to practice more. All right.

Mark 51:02

Well I hope you liked it.

Burk 51:03

Well, that's our deep dive. That's what a deep dive is.

Kathy 51:06

We'll do with these once in a while.

Burk 51:07

A little bit longer than a normal episode.

Kathy 51:09

More of a synopsis. Lots of spoilers. It should say that we hosted it said at the beginning versus now.

Burk 51:14

Oh yeah. Spoiler.

Kathy 51:16

By the way, spoilers.

Burk 51:18

But the thing is, let us know if you think that's a good idea. If you want to sort of hear the story of the movie like this and sort of go through it step by step with a lot of, you know.

Mark 51:28

Obviously, it makes sense to watch the movie first.

Burk 51:31

Yeah. And it's. And it. And maybe we have some of the same ideas and observations you had when you watched it or maybe you think we missed something, you know, let us know.

Kathy 51:41

Yeah, let us know what you thought of Green Room.

Burk 51:44

And let us know what you think of the whole, the whole idea of deep dive. Oh!

Mark 51:49

Congratulations!

Kathy 51:50

You just have to not think about it.

Burk 51:52

Ah, that's so cool. Let me try it again. Deep Dive.

Kathy 51:56

See you're thinking about it.

Burk 51:57

You have to not think about it. Don't think about this spoon. Okay. Anyway, that's our deep dive and that's um, that's going to be it for this episode of Cinemondo.

Mark 52:09

And don't forget to like us on Twitter at Hashtag Cinemamondopod and on Instagram and Facebook at a Cinemondo podcast. Yeah. Okay. Please do. Thank you.

Burk 52:22

Take care Cinemondo signing out.